This is also my first story focusing on sister and brother which is new and is the focus of this story. As the story progress, hopefully, it will feature more mother/son and daughter/father.
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Mike had fallen on hard times and
moved out his apartment to live with his younger sister's family
while he was searching for a new IT job. His sister, Emily, got
lucky with her gold digging and married some old billionaire geezer
when she was 18 and then he died on their wedding night. However, he
did pass over all his fortunes to his soon to be wife.
A sometime later, Emily wanted to
start a family and married Dan. They had been married for about
three years before they had a daughter, Grace. About two years later
they had another daughter, Sarah. Finally, after two years they had
a son, James. Time went on as a family; school, vacations, DR
visits, block parties, ect...
Mike moved in and was living the
upstairs guest suite. He was admit with his sister that he would
pull his fair share around the house. Emily wanted to make sure her
little brother was comfortable with his own little area of the house.
Mike would spend time with the family in between job interviews as
they hung around the house.
Mike saw a perfect IT job opportunity
and made arrangements for the interview. This job was about a three
hour drive away, but he was fine if he got it as he could move into
his own place. He left and made his way towards the highway. He was
gone about 30 minutes when he got a call from the company that
position had been filled. Disgruntled, he turned around to head back
to his sisters house.
He walked up to the front door and
heard loud grunting. Confused he snuck around the side of the house
and looked in the window. He was shocked, Dan was naked on all fours
and Grace was on the couch naked with her legs spread. Dan's face
was in between her legs and he could see he was going to town on her
with a steady pace.
Then all of a sudden, Dan lurched
forward deeper into his daughters pussy. Mike looked back and saw
Sarah kick her dad square in the balls from behind, causing him to
lurch forward again. This continued for about 10 minutes till Grace
got up and now Sarah sat on the couch and Emily started to kick her
dad's balls.
Mike was shocked, but for some reason
his cock was rock hard under his suit. He worked his way around the
house and looked into the living room. There he saw James standing
in the room naked with a two pillows on the floor. Emily walked in,
naked as well, and James handed his mother something and then laid
down on the floor with the pillow under his but and one holding his
head up.
Emily then stood over her son and sat
down on his chest and slid back to his face. James started to lick
his mom's pussy and it took a few minutes for her to have an orgasm.
Once she had an orgasm, she reached down and grabbed her son's balls
bring them to the bottom of the sack with her left hand.
Mike could not see what James had
given her, but now he could see it was a large wooden spoon as she
picked it up. She now started to spank her son's balls at the rate
of about once every two seconds. This went on for a quite some time
while he continued to lick before she stopped. Mike was kind of
surprised at what he was seeing, but for some reason his cock was
rock hard and he could feel some precum getting his boxers wet.
He worked his way around the corner
and into the back yard. This was a big mistake as there are huge
windows looking into the back yard, but Mike did not think of this.
Emily looked up while rubbing her son's balls and saw her brother
making his way around the house. She moved her way to the back door
and just as Mike was walking by she opened it.
Mike froze looking at his naked
sister. Emily spoke up asking him if had a nice view and if he would
like to come in. Mike timidly said yes. When Emily closed the door,
she told him go in the den and wait there for her. Mike made his way
to the den, which he was disappointed was no where near the family
room.
Mike waited in the den for about five
minutes when the door opened. In came his sister, Grace, and Sarah
still naked. Emily looked sternly at Mike and gave him an two
options. He goes to his room, packs his stuff and leaves never to
come back again. Or he joins the male training program of the family
and he will never need to worry about a job or money again.
Mike started to ask a question, but
Emily cut him off saying no questions and he must pick. Mike liked
the idea of not having to work ever again, but after what he saw his
own balls became a bit sore. Mike was there standing in front of his
naked sister and two nieces. His cock was rock hard in his pants,
which was doing all the thinking for him.
He looked at is sister and said that
he would like to stay. They all smiled and Emily walked up to Mike
and told him strip his clothes off as he will not be wearing clothes
any more. As he was taking his clothes off, Grace walked up with a
piece of paper and pen. Mike asked what this was, and she explained
to him it was contract for the male training program.
Sarah was gathering Mike's clothes as
he was now standing there in his boxers. He picked up the pen and
signed his name on the line. He removed his boxers as Emily now
stamped the signed document. He was now naked in front of his sister
and two nieces and under their control.
Emily smiled and said welcome to day
one of male training and that it was time for measurements. She
walked over to the desk and pulled out a cloth measuring tape. She
walked up to Mike and cupped her hand under his balls and lifted them
slightly. Mike instinctively reached for his balls. Emily quickly
told him to stop and he will learn soon.
Emily sat in chair and began to
measure Mike reading out the measurements to Grace who was writing
them down. She took a measurement of his cock length while hard, 5.9
inches..She took a measurement of each testicle, 2.4mm for the left
and 2.2 for the right. Mike asked what the measurements were for.
She looked up and said it was for his chastity belt.
Mike was unprepared for this part as
he did not see that. He started to protest saying he was not told of
chastity. Emily cut him off again, saying he signed the contract and
he free to back out at any time, but the penalty for breaking the
contract is your two testicles. Emily motioned for Sarah and she
walked in with a burdizzo.
Emily said we can do this right now if
you want out as Sarah opened and closed the burdizzo. Mike swallowed
and asked if he will ever be able to cum. Emily laughed as she
cupped his balls saying not to worry his balls will be allowed to
release. He then looked down at her and said he would like to keep
is balls.
Sarah put the burdizzo away and
returned with large bag of crushed ice. She told Mike to sit on the
edge on the desk and open his legs. She placed the bag of ice on his
cock and balls, which caused Mike to jump a bit. Sarah laughed a
little bit. She removed the ice after a few minutes and his cock and
balls had shriveled up. Emily quickly measured again his now flaccid
cock at 1 inch. She told Grace to go get his chastity device.
Grace walked into the room with a
clear plastic device. Mike looked at it and it looked like a small
hollow cock with a ring on the back. He soon realized his cock would
be going in that. He was shocked and asked if that was the right
size. Grace looked at the paper and told him, his cock was 5.8
inches when erect and 1 inch when soft, meaning his cock grew 4.9
inches. To allow less then 15% cock growth meant a cage length of
1.5 inches.
Grace then looked at the cage and
smiled and looked around the room at her sister and mom and laughed.
She said, Uncle Mike was right, this is the wrong cage. She had
grabbed the 1.75 inch cage, when she returned, she said if his cock
has been one tenth of an inch longer when hard, he would have been in
the 1.75 inch cage.
Sarah put the ice back on Mike's cock
and balls to make sure they would easily fit in their new home. She
removed the ice and Emily installed the chastity device around his
cock and balls. When she was complete, she placed a lock in his
hands and told him where to insert the lock. He looked at the lock
and then at is sister and two nieces and pushed the lock closed.
Click, echoed in Mikes ears. Grace
and Sarah each walked up and cupped his balls. Mike's cock was
starting to warm back up and was now meeting it's new home. Emily
told the girls to go help the boys prepare lunch and she would finish
the introduction.
The girls left leaving Mike alone with
his sister. She asked him if he like what he saw from the windows
before, Mike told his sister he was intrigued by it. She asked if he
would like to have his balls busted, Mike told her that yes he would
but was not sure if he could take it as hard as they were. Sarah
smiled told him that he will be built up to the higher level over
time.
She said that she had been training
James for about a year and is about ready for Grace to start to train
him. He is not as built up as his father, but she will bring him up
good. They really like busting their dad's balls, but sometimes
sharing is not fun.
I will have Grace take over James
training, which will be good as it will allow her to groom her skills
on a younger and not as robust set of balls. Sarah will now have
full control over her father's balls as she is still learning her
ways. I will start your male training, but any of the girls can and
will bust your balls. They don't need a reason to and will bust them
at anytime.
Mike was now worried for his balls.
Emily could sense this and told him not to worry as she will be the
only one bust his balls for the first month and even after, they will
go easy on your balls. Mike was not sure to sigh in relief that his
balls were not going to bust that hard or if that he was going to be
have his balls busted by his sister.
Emily told him that he is not slave
and he is not going to be living in dungeon or have to wear collar or
anything like that. They will have the same life as before. They
will all pull the same weight as before...but you do earn more
brownie points if you pull a bit more weight.
Now Emily walked up to her brother and
cupped his balls. She lifted them up and said that she and all the
girls will closely keep an eye on his chastity belt for any rashes or
marks and make sure you have a nice safe snug fit for your cock. As
she was cupping his balls, she said to pay close attention to how he
can earn a chance to cum.
It will require two of the three to
approve you for full orgasm. Once a week you will stand in front of
the three of us and you can either choose to ask to cum or not. Mike
was confused and asked why would he not ask to cum.
Emily, still cupping his balls and now
rolling them a bit, said that if he asks to cum and none of us
approve, you will be placed on permanent probation. Permanent
probation is a warning for permanent chastity and that you are
getting to greedy with your orgasm requests. Once in permanent
probation, you cannot ask again for three months. After three
months, if you choose to ask, remember it is up to you if you want to
ask or not. If you ask and still no approvals, the chastity is made
permanent.
If only one approves, the one who
voted yes, gets 46 orgasms from you while the other two torture your
balls. Mike asked why 46. She told him that was the combined size
of his testicles, and the quicker the 46 orgasms, the less testicle
torture time. She said, that once a quarter his testicles will be
remeasured to make sure there is an accurate orgasm count.
If two of the three approve, you get a
full orgasm. You will be unlocked and your cock will be inserted
into a silicone pussy. You will have two hours for as many orgasms
as you want. Once two hours are up, the one who voted no will stroke
you to a ruined orgasm.
Finally, if all three vote yes. You
get to have full out sex anything you want with all three of us for
one day and then one day of no chastity recovery. Now we don't know
each others votes. They are written down before you stand up in
front of us. You will either ask to cum or not, then each will pass
you their card to read out loud. It is fun to see my boys say no cum
to find out all three of us said yes.
Emily took bit firmer grip on his
balls and Mike took a deep breath and looked down at his sister
holding his balls. She looked at him in the eyes and asked him when
his last orgasm was. He said it was yesterday morning. She gripped
a bit harder and said that his balls feel awfully light for one days
build up. He quickly apologized and said it was this morning. She
asked him what was the longest he had gone with out cumming, Mike not
wanting more pressure on his balls said three days.
She let go of his balls and he let a
sigh of relief out. She said, as your first time in chastity you
will have bit different set of rules. You will be locked for short
19 days before you get a release to build you up. After you get to a
solid three months locked up, we will take you off the chastity
training rules. Then you will be on the normal chastity rules.
Mike was shocked, 19 days. He asked
how she came up with 19 days. She said his three days of not cumming
multiplied by his hard cock length, 5.9, is 17.7 plus one day for his
soft length is a total of 18.7 and we round up to 19 days. She then
added that since he lied and about his last orgasm, she was going to
add one day, making it 20 days. She smiled and said if he is OK with
20 days. Mike not wanting to make her upset said he will find a way.
Mike now a bit bold asked about the
ballbusting, Emily smiled at this question. She said what he saw was
daily training and trading of the testicles. You will learn that
when presented with a pussy you need to worship it no mater what pain
your balls are in. Over time you will value the pussy, of any lady,
over your own testicles.
Look at it this way, we are offing you
pussy with the added bonus of orgasms in your face and you are
offering up your testicles. In reality it is an unfair trade for us
as you get two things, pussy and orgasm in the face, and we get
one...just your testicles. Now before you argue that you are giving
us two testicles, we can gladly take one to make it even.
You will have to ask Grace and Sarah
what their training is of their dad's balls. I know Grace has kind
of taken the lead, but they are doing their own thing. What you saw
me doing to Jason was the spoon training. I present my pussy to him
and he gives me and orgasm. Now, this is a bit unfair as I was
waiting along time for my orgasm and you got my pussy right away.
So in spoon training, if takes 2
minutes and 34 seconds for you to give me an orgasm, for each second
it took from first lick to orgasm is one spoon spank to the balls.
In this example, 154 spoon spanks. So the quicker you complete your
part of the deal, the less spoon spanks on your balls. You don't
need to keep licking my pussy during the spoon spankings, but as I
said before there are brownie points.
Emily looked at Mike and told that
pretty much covered the basics and she will bring him up to speed as
time goes on. She said that before they go get lunch, she needed one
thing from him. She said that he needed to ask her to slap his balls
five times for five licks of her pussy. Mike took a deep breath and
asked his sister if he could get five licks of her pussy and she can
slap his balls five times. Emily smiled and said thank you, but I
will have to decline.
Mike was like... hey this is working
out better. However, Emily came back with a counter offer which
shocked Mike as he had just been setup. Emily's new offer was six
slaps total and one per testicle flick and Mike will get four licks
of her pussy. Mike was not sure what just happened as now he is
getting more slap and a flick with less licks. Emily reminded him,
that the trades were not fair for her and always favored to him.
Mike accepted the new trade.
Emily got up on the edge of a chair
and spread her legs. Mike got on all fours and put his face right in
front of her pussy. He stuck his tongue out and did four laps of her
pussy. Instantly he was in a state of bliss at the taste of his
sister pussy. She stood up and looked at his smile that was
glistening with her pussy juices.
She told Mike to sit on the edge of
the chair and let his balls hang over the edge. Still in somewhat of
blissful state he sat down and his sister grabbed his balls with her
left hand forcing them to the bottom of his sack. She let six quick
slaps fly into his balls with her right hand. Mike tried to curl up
in pain but the grip his sister had on his balls prevented him from
moving.
After about two minutes Mike had
calmed down a bit. She told him grab his balls with both hands and
hold them in the bottom of the sack. It was nice to be able to hold
his balls for bit. He held his balls on the bottom of the sack as
his sister lined up her flicking finger on each testicle. She let go
and flicked each at the same time.
The pain was worse then the slaps. He
mind was boggled as how could simple finger flick hurt more then the
slaps. He rubbed his balls with his sister rubbing his back to warm
him up. A few minutes later, he was able to move again, albeit a bit
gingerly. Emily said that lunch should be ready by now.
They mad their way to the kitchen,
Dan, Grace, Sarah, and James were just finishing setting the table.
They all sat down at the table and it was a normal lunch. Expect for
the fact they were all naked. Well almost, all the guys had their
chastity belts on.
Emily laid out the new male training
program for everyone. She would take her brother's balls, Grace
would get James' balls, and Sarah would get Dan's balls. This way
everyone now has a set of balls to train. She told the girls, that
while they will be tempted to bust their uncle's balls, they were to
wait till he had been properly trained. Then after slowly bring him
up to speed.
After lunch they all helped to clean
up and Mike went back to his room. He sat at his desk and looked at
his small chastity cage and trapped cock for a few minutes. It tried
to get hard as best it could. If it was not for the cage on his
cock, he would definitively be masturbating right now. He could feel
his balls getting full and the thoughts of the three naked ladies in
the house were not helping either.
He heard a knock at his door and his
sister was standing there. She asked if she could come in. Mike
still coming to realization that this will now be everyday life now.
She sat on his bed and asked him if would be able to work on Grace's
computer as it was acting a bit slow. Mike said sure and was pretty
confident it just need to be cleaned up.
As Emily was leaving, she said that
she would be back later for his daily testicle training and trading.
Mike did not realize this would start right away. He sat there for
minute and went to Grace's room to look at her computer. He knocked
and Grace told him to come in. Grace was on the bed with her
vibrator going in her pussy.
Mike's cock tried to twitch in its
cage. He looked and saw the computer on the desk. He started to
work as Grace was lying on the bed with her vibrator in her pussy.
It took him about an hour to clean it all up and get it back running
smoothly. All the while Grace was playing with her pussy in the
background.
When he finished he turned around to
look at Grace on the bed. She had stopped and now had weird strap on
contraption in her hand with large cock. He gulped and timidly asked
what that was for. She laughed saying not to worry this was not for
his ass. She walked up to her uncle and cupped his balls. She said
that these needed to be filled up a bit more. She put the strap on
around Mike and the cock was just above his locked cock.
She got back on the bed on all fours
with her pussy in the air and said that it took him a hour to fix her
computer meant one hour of him fucking her pussy. Mike slowly got
behind her and inserted the large cock in her pussy. She groaned as
it entered her pussy. He started to hump her, but it was an odd
feeling of performing sex, but not getting any feeling.
This went on for a hour and Grace had
eight orgasms. She pulled out of his fake cock and looked at his
locked cock which was now had a nice bead of precum on the tip. She
cupped his balls again and said for the first time he did not do that
bad, but his balls will need to do better of overflowing. She
giggled and said not to worry as that will come with time.
Mike left the room and went down to
the kitchen to get a drink as an hour of humping wore him out. Emily
was in the kitchen and asked him when he was ready for his training
and trading to meet her in her room in about 30 minutes. He sat down
in the family room and was watching Sarah and James play Wii. He was
mesmerized at Sarah bouncing tits and but.
After 30 minutes Mike made is way to
Emily's room. When he walked in Emily was on the bed with a vibrator
in her pussy, he thought mother like daughter. Emily said that
today's training and trading will be simple as it is the start.
However, as time goes on the trades will be more complex and could
even spread over multiple days.
Emily said that she will initiate the
trade proposals for a while till he gets the feel of how they work,
then he will be required to make the initial offer. Now she said
that he has the option to decline her trade, but then must come back
with a counter offer. If she declines the counter offer, then she
will have final say on her next offer...ie what she says is final.
When Mike makes the offer, she can
decline and make a counter offer. If he declines the counter offer
he can counter her counter offer. If she declines his offer, then
she will have final say on her next offer. She said, that once he
starts making offers he is in control as he gets two offers to her
one.
Emily said that his testicle trade
will always follow her trade. Meaning pussy first and balls after.
If he voids the offer by not completing the full offer of his
testicles, she will be forced to restrain him and double the offer on
his testicles, and get a whole bunch of bad brownie points.
She asked Mike if he understood how
the trading works, which Mike nodded. She cupped his balls and said,
wow they feel a bit fuller. Mike told his sister how he had to fuck
Grace with the strap on. Emily laughed saying that Grace is getting
really good at teasing and causing balls to overflow with cum.
Continuing to cup his balls, she
started to think of the first full offer. She asked him how good his
pussy skills were and how many orgasms he had given with his tongue.
Mike thinking of all his girlfriends and realized the fact that he
spent maybe a minute on their pussy. He told is sister that they
were average and a few orgasms. She said we will see where you stand
on your pussy skills after today.
Emily made her offer, I will offer my
pussy for five minutes and you give me 15 soft kicks to your
testicles, for every minute of no orgasm is one extra medium kick.
If you give me five orgasms, you get just the 15 soft kicks, if I
only get four orgasms you get 15 soft kicks and one medium...ect.
Mike did not know if this was a good offer or if he should counter
and what would he counter with.
Emily could see his struggle, and said
that he has a few options with this offer. He could extended the
time with also extending the total soft kicks, but having a two
minute orgasm window for the medium kicks. Or he could reduce the
time and total soft kicks, but this would also reduce the orgasm
timing. Or he could accept the offer.
Mike was not sure still and
regretfully accepted the first offer. Emily said, not to worry as it
takes some time before you can counter offer with your balls on the
line. But once you realize are are getting pussy for your balls, you
will get creative with the offers.
Mike laid down on the bed with a
pillow under his head as his sister lowered his pussy on to his face.
He could smell it and remembered the taste from before and his cock
twitch in its cage. Emily started the clock the moment his tongue
touched her pussy. He was lapping as quick as he could and before he
knew it she lifted her pussy away from his face.
She stood in above him and said that
in five minutes he managed to give her one orgasm. She said that he
will need a lot of training before he is allowed to lick her
daughters as that was pretty bad. Emily said that he will get on his
knees and lift his cock and cock cage out of the way so the kicks
fully impact the testicles.
Mike got on his knees facing his
sister and lifted his cock and cock cage out of the way, he could
feel his balls swinging free. She told him 15 soft kicks followed by
four medium kicks, for a total of 19 kicks. She said wow, just like
how many days you are locked in chastity as she was getting the
distance right for her kicks.
Emily took her right foot and held it
under his balls and did a snap kick. Mike fell over in pain and
grabbed his balls after the first soft kick. She told him to be
careful and not void the offer. Mike knelt backup and presented his
balls. Next came a succession of ten kicks. Mike was grunting not
wanting to fall. After a few seconds the last for soft kicks.
Mike breathing heavily said that he
was now scared of the medium kicks as the soft kicks took it all out
of him. Emily said he will learn to adapt and put her pussy above
his balls and to get ready for the four medium kicks. She now swung
her leg back and connected with her brothers balls. He grunted and
put one hand on the ground as Emily was saying to be careful.
The next three medium kicks put Mike
on the floor looking up at his sister's pussy. She knew he was
looking at her pussy as his cock was starting to swell up a bit and
said that he can make another offer to lick her pussy, just make a
offer and I will consider it. Mike still looking at her pussy and
holing his now kicked balls said that he would love to but he was not
sure if his balls could take any more.
Emily told him that he should not
worry about his balls any more and think just about her pussy. She
said that how about you make me an offer and I will blindly accept
it, just remember it has to be fair... nothing like pussy orgasm with
nothing in return. Remember, all pussy's are above your balls, plus
it will be good practice for you. Which you need and the only way to
get a pussy to practice on is to make a trade.
Still holding his balls and staring at
his sister's pussy he was thinking of an offer. He started to talk,
but his sister cut him off saying he needs to stand up and make the
offer to her face and not from the floor. Mike stood up holding his
balls said that he will offer her one orgasm in less then two
minutes, and he will offer his balls for four slaps. Emily asked him
what happens if he fails to give her an orgasm.
Mike did not think about that factor
and said that he would offer her an additional four slaps, for a
total of eight if he fails at an orgasm in less then two minutes.
Emily then asked what happens as the time progresses past two minutes
as he still needs to give her an orgasm to keep it fair for his balls
at the end of the trade.
Mike did not realize how complex these
trades can be. So he started from the begging, orgasm in less then
two minutes and will offer four testicle slaps, and if I fail at
orgasm in less then two minutes an additional four testicle slaps,
for every minute after two minutes is an additional slap till you
receive an orgasm.
Emily kept her word and accepted the
offer. She said that in all other situations, that trade would have
been declined. As Mike was getting on the bed, she said that she
hopes he does better as in the five minute trade, he got one orgasm
near the end of the five minutes. The clock started as soon as his
tongue touched her pussy.
He was licking her pussy at a good
pace and he felt her have an orgasm. He did not know the time, but
it felt very quick as he was now enjoying the taste of his sister's
pussy. He felt his sister grab his balls and pull them taught to the
bottom of the sack. He was helpless as he still under is sister's
pussy as she started her slapping.
Mike tried to move his arms around his
sister, but she had place her legs on top of them. The first four
slaps were now past for just licking her pussy, four more slaps as he
took longer then two minutes for her orgasm. Mike was now grunting
into his sisters pussy. The slaps continued, one, two three, and
stopped at four. It took Mike six minutes to give his sister an
orgasm.
Emily lifted off Mike and he reached
for his balls rolling over. She said that it was almost five
additional slaps. Emily was right in front of Mike who was still
curled up and started to play with her pussy, sliding her fingers in
and out. Mike's cock ignoring the pain in his balls started to get
hard again. Emily kept playing with herself to orgasm right in front
of Mike.
His cock was now as hard as it could
get in the cage and pain in his balls was starting to subdue. Emily
said that she will make one last offer for today and it is pretty
fair. She will get one orgasm in less then five minutes, for two
flicks of each testicle and if the time goes past five minutes with
no orgasm, testicle squeezing till orgasm.
Mike accepted the offer and rolled
back over as he was staring at his his sister's pussy. He started in
rhythm of her pussy licking. Soon he felt her hand grab his balls
and squeeze, he let out a yell in his sister's pussy as she continued
to squeeze his balls. It was not long till she got an orgasm. Same
as before, she did not get up but stayed in place.
She kept a firm grip on his balls and
flicked his testicles, right,left, left, right as he grunted in to
her pussy again. She then got up off his face as he grabbed his
balls. She said that when she first squeezed, she almost orgasmed
right there when he yelled in her pussy, but she held it back for
about 30 seconds.
She was laying down next to Mike and
pushed his hands away from his balls and stared to rub them softly.
Mike's cock noticed this please and filled the cage. As she was
rubbing his balls, she asked him what he thought of her pussy. Mike
being one hundred percent honest said that it was bliss to be licking
her pussy to orgasm. She asked how his balls were feeling.
Again, being honest, Mike said they
were very sore as she was still rubbing them. Emily said well if you
enjoy my pussy so much I am sure you can overcome your sore balls.
Plus when you are licking my pussy I can see your cock trying to get
hard and getting precum, so you are actually enjoying it even more
then me.
She was looking at his locked cock
trying to escape and said to her brother, that in the past half hour
she has had four orgasms while his cock is still locked. She let go
of his balls and fiddled with the lock on his cage. Just think in 19
days you will have one orgasm, how many orgasm will I have by then...
